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hey Ben did you hear Richard Saunders is

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on his 750th episode of the skeptic Zone

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what seriously that's that's a huge

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number on squaring in the strange we

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haven't even cracked 200. what does he

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have that we don't have

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um brains and talent

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yeah obviously but what else a dreamy

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Aussie accent well okay but but what

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else what's a secret ingredient hmm wait

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wait I know his show has two producers

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right we only have one are you talking

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about his cats maybe we can hire them

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away yeah we'll offer them canned tuna I

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bet they're getting tired of eating

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Vegemite over there then we will have

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his secret podcasting weapon and he'll

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be ruined ruined

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well until then Happy 750th Richard and

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Maude and Henrietta

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welcome to the skeptic Zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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yes it's the skeptic Zone podcast

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foreign

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[Applause]

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for the 19th of February 2023 and thank

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you to Celestia award and Ben Radford

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from squaring the strange for kicking

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off this week's show and a big shout out

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to their co-host Pasco Romero as well

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coming up on episode 750 we have more uh

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well-wishing messages from various

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skeptical friends from around the planet

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but also we speak to Brian Dunning about

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his latest documentary the UFO movie

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they don't want you to see

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but really it's about the process of

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making a documentary and one of the

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dangers which I didn't know about

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hypothermia

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wow Brian really suffers for his art

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suffers for Science and you'll find out

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the dangers of hypothermia

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and what happened to Brian coming up at

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the top of the show

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after that it's a very heartfelt tribute

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to our dear friend the late Dr Harriet

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Hall and this is by Susan gobert and it

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was originally published in the

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skeptical Inquirer online but Susan will

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read this tribute to Harriet Hall then

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it's the book of Tim with Tim Mendham

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and Tim looks at delusions delusions in

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the segment called what goes around

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and of course the skeptical Community

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often

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consider have delusions about this that

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or the other

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then to round off the show it's a dive

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back into the Trove archives where we

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look at references to the Canberra

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Skeptics over the years especially in

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the early days in the 1980s

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and if you look at this week's show

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notes you'll notice that 10 years ago on

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episode 226 we interview our former

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reporter Dr Chrissy Wilson Maynard may

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not spooky action it's Skeptics in the

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pub in Newcastle for Science and beer

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Willis Den Professor Paul Willis now

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yes episode number 750 before we start a

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big thank you to my current reporters

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and all the past reporters going back 16

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years or so

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and uh who knows who knows we may even

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get another visit from the skeptical

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but now it's time for me to run

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downstairs and have my favorite snack

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which is a mixture of jalapeno flakes

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ERS from the skeptic Zone podcast I'm in

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Bend Oregon visiting my old buddy Brian

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Dunning from skeptoid Brian good to see

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you again hey good to be here but what

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here good to have you here sir thank you

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um just to give our listeners one more

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update as to the new documentary the UFO

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movie they don't want you to see it must

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be on the home stretch by now

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I I'm I am more than 50 through with the

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editing I anticipate being done without

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enough Brian's gonna show me some rushes

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some early shots a bit later on I'm

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looking forward to that but I wanted to

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talk to you about one of the dangers of

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happen to every filmmaker it's never

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happened to me but you suffered from a

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case of um and this is really suffering

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for science a case of

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hypothermia what's the story behind that

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interviews and the cutaways and the

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the uh uh science is better than

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pseudoscience Little Ghost in the rocket

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logo on it

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hood or anything so I wanted to stay in

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thick all fleecy and fuzzy and

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everything I put them under my clothes I

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could I was like the Michelin Man I

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about a thousand of them down my legs in

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my shirt in my underwear all around

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everywhere and a bunch more and the

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hoodie has a has a pocket like this so I

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reasonably do to be warm so I had the

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warming Hut right there because we're

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car we're not that far from the car and

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so I thought we were pretty well covered

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but after the first few hours we shot

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four of six segments

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and I began slurring my speech

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this and it's like that's not gonna work

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but I didn't notice that at the time

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that so I couldn't tell that I was

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special relativity I can barely say it

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that was my every because it came to a

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and I just couldn't do it

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and we're like doing all these retakes

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and retakes and retakes and and then I

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up shooting even around I know that that

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happened but I don't remember most of it

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what was going on at the time and it

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showed up on the film

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so we had to actually abandon the shoot

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apart from the memory loss after you

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know packing up Do You Remember

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is it like a a cold taking you over do

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you feel chill to the Bone do you I mean

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my ears were numb and in fact my face

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being cold and numb was what I

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attributed my inability to say special

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relativity so I just thought well my

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face is numb and so I'm holding cold

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packs up on my face trying to warm up my

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cheeks trying to warm up my tongue

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everything and it just made no

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and my head was kind of just numb I mean

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like I say I don't really remember much

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of it but I was I was just I was out of

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it it's dedication dedication to science

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you've got it in

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Spades in truckloads of dedication to

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science all right so

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was there enable an enable there you are

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maybe I've got hypothermia was there any

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usable things from that night or is it

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big segments is what I broke the script

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number four is kind of iffy a lot of it

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I was speaking too slow and there was a

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lot of retakes through it so we did

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retakes that I was able to use and don't

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tell anyone this but for some of the

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segments that were just slow I actually

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sped them up five to ten percent

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speeding up the video is easy speeding

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up the audio without sounding like a

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chipmunk is more complicated so we had

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to use more advanced audio tools to do

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that but it works it gets away with it

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and then we actually after we abandoned

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the shoot we went back to the house and

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I don't remember how we got back to the

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I took a hot shower

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and then all of a sudden I found myself

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on the bed waking up and I'm going oh my

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God what happened we we've got to finish

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we've got to finish shooting

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and I went and woke up the other guys

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and it turned out to be about midnight

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by then I would have thought it was much

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later but that's all it was I woke up

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the other guys and I said we've got to

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finish the shoot I don't care how we do

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it but we've got to finish it somehow

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and we decided to get up at 4 30 in the

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morning and go out and meet the sunrise

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and that ended up being the sunrise that

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ends the movie the timing was perfect

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by the time we got up at 4 30 I was back

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to normal I was 100 percent

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and by the time we finished that morning

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shoot

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segments five and six when we finish

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segment six I started experimenting

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trying to say special relativity

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it was already I was I was it was

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happening again so I was really glad

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that we were done we got back in the car

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that morning shoot they made sure that I

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stayed in the car too there was I was

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not allowed to be out of the car unless

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the camera was actually rolling

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so the warming Hut and the heaters and

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that we had warm warm bottles of water

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in there and everything good

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we were very well prepared

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um

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just apparently not as well as we would

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have needed to be

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well that was a close call because it is

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a dangerous thing I mean hypothermia is

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it I don't know is there any longer

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lasting effects or you're okay

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so I did have to read about that and it

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turns out there are long lasting effects

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hypothermia and hypothermia they're

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actually brain injuries

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and once you have one you're more

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susceptible to get it in the future so

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I'm actually more susceptible to

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hypothermia in the future

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and so I'm going to be more careful in

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the future

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so you should be so be that as it may

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the the you're on the as we said before

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you're on the home stretch with the

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documentary

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have you got a proposed finished date in

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mind

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not specifically

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um I mean the the dates that I have are

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approximate it's going to be about

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another three weeks of editing and then

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about a month of of the the color and

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the sound and the scoring are all three

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different professionals who have their

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different schedules so I can't really

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speak for them but that's that's

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approximately the time frame we're

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looking at so we're looking hopefully in

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the middle of the year maybe the

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towards the end of the year uh this is a

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February give it to two months yeah I

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think I think by the beginning of May it

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should be definitely should be finished

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by then I'll be shocked if it's not

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all right that's something to look

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forward to so Brian a pleasure to see

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you as always and thanks for the for the

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lovely lunch we're about to eat and

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my drink and taking me to this wonderful

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place here in Bend where are we exactly

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uh this is 10 Barrel West one of the

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breweries in Bend Oregon this is one of

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their two locations here in town and

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it's good it's always good but all the

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places in Bend are always good so well

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thank you folks this is Richard

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son Brian Dunning signing off from Bend

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Oregon

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[Music]

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hi this is Brian Dunning from the

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skeptoid podcast wishing Richard

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Saunders and the team at the skeptic

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Zone a happy

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hey Adrian hi Susan out for some

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shopping eh yep I'm stocking up on this

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invitation maple syrup from Australia

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imitation

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the real thing from Canada

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but I saw the TV commercial and it said

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that noted pancake eating expert Richard

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Saunders says it's the best maple syrup

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many can buy and 60 of people preferred

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in a blind taste test everyone knows

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it's the best oh come on Susan you know

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better than that that's the argument

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from Authority it is or is it the

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argument from popularity hmm

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it might be another logical fallacy I'm

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not sure really if only we had a way of

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[Music]

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one oh my is the skeptical Fairy

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Godmother angel from the internet yes

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that's right but how did you know who I

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am I listened to the skeptic Zone

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podcast also didn't you used to be the

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Tooth Fairy Oh yes

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I remember you

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I'll never forget your left upper

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lateral incisor would you like it back

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no it's okay you keep it hey skeptical

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Fairy Godmother Angel what are you doing

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here in the supermarket I've come to

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tell you that you can find out about 40

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different logical fallacies on YouTube

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in one handy location listen to each one

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to hear an explanation and examples of

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how they might be used

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oh just go to

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tinyurl.com

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logical Zone and you'll find all the

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logical fallacies with Michelle

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bickersma with handy time codes to get

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to the exact one you want who is

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Michelle bigesma

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um just a friend of mine

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tinyurl.com

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logical Zone thank you skeptical Fairy

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Godmother angel I guess you'll disappear

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in a puff of smoke and thunder now eh

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um not quite yet I have a bit of

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shopping to do Susan yes where do I find

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the Australian maple syrup hmm what no

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no no no come with me so-called

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skeptical fairy this is real maple syrup

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foreign

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[Music]

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hello everyone this is Susan gerbick uh

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Richard has asked me to read an article

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that I have written about Harriet Hall

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the skep doc and

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um in tribute to her it published in

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skeptical inquire magazine well online

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January 27 2023

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[Music]

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Harriet a hall was born in St Louis

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Missouri

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on July 2nd 1945 and died on January 11

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2023 in her home in Washington

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Richard Saunders just replayed on his

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podcast the skeptic Zone a 2007

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interview he had done with Harriet Hall

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when they were both on a j-rift cruise

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to Alaska

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it was Harriet's first ever podcast

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interview ever and re-listening to it

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today made me pause and consider how

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much she gave to our community and how

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fortunate we are to have had her with us

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for as long as we did

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she explained to Richard that for many

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years she'd been a passive skeptic

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attending the conferences and doing the

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readings but never expecting to be more

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active than that but then she attended

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the CSI Skeptics toolbox held at the

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University of Eugene led by Ray Hyman

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Barry bierstein Wally Sampson James

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Alcott Lauren Pancras and with his

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amazing optical illusions in tow Gerry

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Andres

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Harriet told Richard that it was at the

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toolbox that she realized she had found

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her community and with some

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encouragement from the toolbox faculty

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tried her hand at writing an article on

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medical quackery

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one thing led to another and she became

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prolific publishing in skeptical inquire

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and skeptic as well as a short stint for

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one of Oprah's magazines

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she then went on to write for

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science-based medicine

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she started writing career later in life

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but made up for it with her productivity

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I met her at one of the skeptic toolbox

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events I was also a passive skeptic

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just hanging out waiting to see where I

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fit in the wild world of scientific

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skepticism

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I'd never ever thought in my wildest

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dreams that I would also become a writer

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for skeptical inquire and in some far

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out year of 2023 would be asked to write

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Harriet's obituary for that publication

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I think Harriet would have called both

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our careers surreal

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but within this community we both

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learned that all hands were needed on

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Deck we need all skills and all

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motivations all hopes of slowing down

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need to be forgotten

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there was work to be done and Harriet

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stepped up

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even after a career in the United States

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Air Force as a flight surgeon retiring

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is a colonel even after receiving her

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pilot's license she kept on stepping up

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Harriet had never published anything

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before but her quick wit and snarky

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responses in print had editors seeking

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her out to write more

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in 2008 she wrote women aren't supposed

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to fly the Memoirs of a flight surgeon

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of a female flight surgeon about her

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military life from 1969 to 1989 and her

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experiences living in Spain

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I know people thought of her as a

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feminist but I'm not sure she would have

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thought of herself that way we had

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conversations about the pressure she

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felt to be the female Trend Setter in

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the skeptic Community it wasn't a role

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she wanted pushed on her Harriet was

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clear she wanted just to be Harriet Hall

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the skep doc in an email exchange I had

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with Harriet a couple years ago we both

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were added to one of those females of

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skepticismless

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and I was expressing my frustration and

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feeling like I was being placated not

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good enough to be with the men

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Harriet wrote me back I agree with you I

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hope someday people will not even notice

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sex or gender but just recognizability

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and accomplishments

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and Harriet did Step Up

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over and over for our community

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you might not be aware of how prolific

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she was

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she became a fellow for the committee

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for skeptical inquiry as well as

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receiving a fellowship for the German

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skeptic script GW Bay

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she was a founding member of The

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Institute for science and medicine and

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in 2015 published a series of videos for

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the James Randy Educational Foundation

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titled

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science-based medicine in which she

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attacked Homeopathy acupuncture

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Chiropractic and more

557
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that series of 10 videos is almost a

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hundred thousand views and personally I

559
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think it should be more like a hundred

560
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million views

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she gave the Australian Skeptics

562
00:24:39,470 --> 00:24:36,960
unlimited access to her published

563
00:24:42,049 --> 00:24:39,480
personal work so I'm sure they will be

564
00:24:44,930 --> 00:24:42,059
used to continue to educate

565
00:24:46,430 --> 00:24:44,940
Harriet's frankness and pithy humor

566
00:24:49,490 --> 00:24:46,440
comes through in her videos and her

567
00:24:51,890 --> 00:24:49,500
writings the gsow project that I run

568
00:24:54,830 --> 00:24:51,900
often uses articles that she had written

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for the appropriate Wikipedia pages

570
00:24:59,270 --> 00:24:57,419
in preparation for this article I

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Revisited some of the quotes we had left

572
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for others to find

573
00:25:05,330 --> 00:25:03,720
on the colon cleansing Wikipedia page we

574
00:25:08,270 --> 00:25:05,340
quote her saying

575
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the colon cleanses itself the idea that

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the walls are coated with years old

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hamburger residues preposterous

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foreign

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Northrop Wikipedia page

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00:25:21,830 --> 00:25:19,980
we added this quote MDS who recommend

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quackery along with legitimate medical

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00:25:25,909 --> 00:25:24,059
advice are arguably more dangerous than

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00:25:28,490 --> 00:25:25,919
outright quacks because people are more

584
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likely to take them seriously

585
00:25:32,510 --> 00:25:31,320
she gave the Netflix series unwell two

586
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thumbs down

587
00:25:38,029 --> 00:25:34,980
and what the health another faux Health

588
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documentary series not a reliable source

589
00:25:43,370 --> 00:25:39,900
of scientific information

590
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her own local newspaper the news

591
00:25:48,830 --> 00:25:45,900
Tribune's Wikipedia page got a piece of

592
00:25:51,169 --> 00:25:48,840
her mind when we added Harriet Hall

593
00:25:55,630 --> 00:25:51,179
criticized the News Tribune in skeptical

594
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inquire in 2019 for its acceptance of

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advertisements for health related

596
00:26:02,630 --> 00:26:00,059
products that intimated the presentation

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of real articles with only a small

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00:26:06,230 --> 00:26:04,559
disclaimer

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00:26:08,690 --> 00:26:06,240
and you might think it's no big deal

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because we all know these are faux

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Health shows and they're full of

602
00:26:14,390 --> 00:26:11,580
misinformation

603
00:26:16,430 --> 00:26:14,400
but what you might not understand is

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00:26:18,710 --> 00:26:16,440
that when these documentaries first came

605
00:26:21,470 --> 00:26:18,720
out and someone created the Wikipedia

606
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Pages there was no notable criticism to

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00:26:26,029 --> 00:26:22,440
be found

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00:26:27,529 --> 00:26:26,039
only fluffy positive articles existed so

609
00:26:28,730 --> 00:26:27,539
the public that was clamoring to

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00:26:31,850 --> 00:26:28,740
understand of what they were just

611
00:26:33,649 --> 00:26:31,860
watching was science real science or had

612
00:26:36,049 --> 00:26:33,659
gotten you know they only got nothing

613
00:26:38,510 --> 00:26:36,059
but positive nonsense to find

614
00:26:40,850 --> 00:26:38,520
and Harriet stepped up

615
00:26:42,830 --> 00:26:40,860
she watched the shows and got her

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00:26:44,450 --> 00:26:42,840
reviews out as fast as she could for the

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readers to find and learn that they were

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00:26:48,169 --> 00:26:46,620
being conned with slick fast talking

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Quacks

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after I asked her to watch one series

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00:26:53,870 --> 00:26:52,260
and write a review I received this email

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00:26:56,110 --> 00:26:53,880
from Harriet

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00:26:58,250 --> 00:26:56,120
it was a truly painful experience

624
00:27:00,110 --> 00:26:58,260
sitting through hours of nonsense

625
00:27:02,750 --> 00:27:00,120
because I had to keep pausing it to take

626
00:27:05,450 --> 00:27:02,760
six pages of notes laboriously

627
00:27:08,690 --> 00:27:05,460
organizing my notes into an article fact

628
00:27:13,510 --> 00:27:08,700
checking and Etc two days of my life

629
00:27:18,409 --> 00:27:16,549
and that was Harriet

630
00:27:21,470 --> 00:27:18,419
always stepping up to do what she could

631
00:27:23,149 --> 00:27:21,480
to help out and with her unique humor

632
00:27:25,549 --> 00:27:23,159
possibly you don't even know how funny

633
00:27:29,390 --> 00:27:25,559
she could be I have a photograph of her

634
00:27:31,610 --> 00:27:29,400
from the 2013 CFI Summit where she

635
00:27:33,529 --> 00:27:31,620
dressed up as a quack buster

636
00:27:36,470 --> 00:27:33,539
she wore a spray bottle around her neck

637
00:27:38,990 --> 00:27:36,480
with a label that said quack B on in

638
00:27:42,169 --> 00:27:39,000
2016 she attended the psychon Halloween

639
00:27:44,630 --> 00:27:42,179
party wearing a sign that simply said

640
00:27:45,890 --> 00:27:44,640
oh oh my gosh I can't say this where do

641
00:27:47,470 --> 00:27:45,900
you know what it is starts with a no

642
00:27:50,810 --> 00:27:47,480
it's really long

643
00:27:53,450 --> 00:27:50,820
she said this is a homeopathic flute

644
00:27:55,070 --> 00:27:53,460
remedy made of duck liver they dilute it

645
00:27:57,289 --> 00:27:55,080
until there's nothing left but the quack

646
00:28:01,610 --> 00:27:57,299
after that she would pull out a duck

647
00:28:06,049 --> 00:28:03,590
for someone who first appeared so quiet

648
00:28:08,630 --> 00:28:06,059
and respectful Harriet sure liked to

649
00:28:10,250 --> 00:28:08,640
tell jokes she was quiet so you had to

650
00:28:12,649 --> 00:28:10,260
sit right next to her and pay attention

651
00:28:14,990 --> 00:28:12,659
to her the only one I can clearly

652
00:28:16,430 --> 00:28:15,000
remember was the one where the guy asked

653
00:28:18,710 --> 00:28:16,440
his doctor if he'd be able to play the

654
00:28:21,409 --> 00:28:18,720
violin after surgery when the doctor

655
00:28:23,029 --> 00:28:21,419
said of course the patient said well

656
00:28:24,289 --> 00:28:23,039
that'll be great because I can't play it

657
00:28:30,049 --> 00:28:24,299
now

658
00:28:32,390 --> 00:28:30,059
hearing her tell them

659
00:28:34,669 --> 00:28:32,400
she became known for the phrase Tooth

660
00:28:36,890 --> 00:28:34,679
Fairy science meaning that some people

661
00:28:40,370 --> 00:28:36,900
try to study a phenomenon before knowing

662
00:28:42,769 --> 00:28:40,380
whether it exists in 2022 Harriet

663
00:28:44,750 --> 00:28:42,779
published the book there's no such thing

664
00:28:46,970 --> 00:28:44,760
as a tooth fairy about a little girl

665
00:28:49,549 --> 00:28:46,980
named Harriet who was trying to convince

666
00:28:51,890 --> 00:28:49,559
her younger brother Henry that the Tooth

667
00:28:53,870 --> 00:28:51,900
Fairy was all made up

668
00:28:56,450 --> 00:28:53,880
it is a Charming story beautifully

669
00:28:57,950 --> 00:28:56,460
illustrated by Kevin Howell I wrote to

670
00:28:59,630 --> 00:28:57,960
her soon after it came out and I told

671
00:29:01,190 --> 00:28:59,640
her that the community needs to find

672
00:29:03,950 --> 00:29:01,200
more harriets

673
00:29:06,890 --> 00:29:03,960
for all that humor Harriet was a realist

674
00:29:08,570 --> 00:29:06,900
she loved to travel but after she

675
00:29:11,870 --> 00:29:08,580
slipped on a high quality attending the

676
00:29:13,490 --> 00:29:11,880
2016 Australian Skeptics conference and

677
00:29:16,669 --> 00:29:13,500
was hospitalized for what seemed like

678
00:29:18,590 --> 00:29:16,679
weeks she slowed down after suffering

679
00:29:20,570 --> 00:29:18,600
from congestive heart failure for years

680
00:29:22,070 --> 00:29:20,580
she wrote to tell me that she would be

681
00:29:24,169 --> 00:29:22,080
staying close to home and concentrating

682
00:29:27,409 --> 00:29:24,179
on her writing

683
00:29:30,049 --> 00:29:27,419
back in 2012 Harriet Wore a Yellow

684
00:29:32,269 --> 00:29:30,059
t-shirt to the amazing meeting that was

685
00:29:34,370 --> 00:29:32,279
so controversial it was removed from her

686
00:29:36,830 --> 00:29:34,380
Wikipedia page after the photograph I

687
00:29:38,510 --> 00:29:36,840
took was uploaded I know she wouldn't

688
00:29:40,490 --> 00:29:38,520
want to be remembered for the drama we

689
00:29:42,649 --> 00:29:40,500
lived through during those years but I

690
00:29:44,810 --> 00:29:42,659
will mention what she had written on the

691
00:29:46,970 --> 00:29:44,820
back of that yellow t-shirt because it

692
00:29:51,169 --> 00:29:46,980
still encapsulates her

693
00:29:54,230 --> 00:29:51,179
I'm a skeptic not a skept chick not a

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00:29:58,010 --> 00:29:54,240
woman skeptic just a skeptic

695
00:30:00,730 --> 00:29:58,020
and I hear you hear it and I agree

696
00:30:04,370 --> 00:30:00,740
you have set a standard of productivity

697
00:30:07,010 --> 00:30:04,380
quirkiness frankness that represents all

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00:30:08,330 --> 00:30:07,020
of us and not just the females in the

699
00:30:10,909 --> 00:30:08,340
community

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00:30:13,490 --> 00:30:10,919
we all need to model your behavior and

701
00:30:16,610 --> 00:30:13,500
step up because we're all needed to fill

702
00:30:18,350 --> 00:30:16,620
the void you leave us

703
00:30:20,029 --> 00:30:18,360
Harriet's husband shared an email

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00:30:22,490 --> 00:30:20,039
explaining that she had skipped dinner

705
00:30:24,649 --> 00:30:22,500
that final Wednesday night and had been

706
00:30:26,990 --> 00:30:24,659
filling poorly for a few days

707
00:30:28,549 --> 00:30:27,000
she told him she was cold and she was

708
00:30:30,470 --> 00:30:28,559
going to go to bed early

709
00:30:32,149 --> 00:30:30,480
her husband went to go check on her

710
00:30:34,130 --> 00:30:32,159
about 10 o'clock at night and found that

711
00:30:36,529 --> 00:30:34,140
she had died in her sleep

712
00:30:38,570 --> 00:30:36,539
she survived by her husband Kirk and

713
00:30:41,750 --> 00:30:38,580
daughters Kimberly and Christian Ann

714
00:30:44,690 --> 00:30:41,760
there will be no formal service

715
00:30:48,590 --> 00:30:44,700
she's going to be sent to Baton Rouge

716
00:30:51,289 --> 00:30:48,600
Louisiana where the family has plots

717
00:30:54,649 --> 00:30:51,299
I haven't yet mourned you my friend

718
00:30:56,690 --> 00:30:54,659
I'm sure I will soon

719
00:30:57,529 --> 00:30:56,700
thinking about what our community has

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00:31:00,049 --> 00:30:57,539
lost

721
00:31:01,070 --> 00:31:00,059
I'm looking at it like the realest you

722
00:31:04,070 --> 00:31:01,080
were

723
00:31:05,269 --> 00:31:04,080
it's not what we lost but how much we

724
00:31:08,149 --> 00:31:05,279
gained

725
00:31:10,970 --> 00:31:08,159
I wish it were longer you will live on

726
00:31:13,669 --> 00:31:10,980
through your writings and wisdom

727
00:31:17,029 --> 00:31:13,679
damn I still wish you were here

728
00:31:19,970 --> 00:31:17,039
I miss you already and so say we all

729
00:31:22,549 --> 00:31:19,980
Harriet you once told me that I owe you

730
00:31:26,570 --> 00:31:22,559
and as usual you were right

731
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:26,580
but actually we all owe you thank you

732
00:31:31,190 --> 00:31:28,730
Harriet

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[Music]

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foreign

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[Music]

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Dr Harriet Hall MD known to thousands as

737
00:31:52,730 --> 00:31:50,760
the skeptalk was a retired family

738
00:31:55,149 --> 00:31:52,740
physician and former Air Force flight

739
00:31:57,649 --> 00:31:55,159
surgeon who wrote about medicine

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00:32:01,010 --> 00:31:57,659
so-called complementary and Alternative

741
00:32:02,149 --> 00:32:01,020
Medicine Science quackery and critical

742
00:32:05,690 --> 00:32:02,159
thinking

743
00:32:07,970 --> 00:32:05,700
Harriet produced a free online course of

744
00:32:11,149 --> 00:32:07,980
10 video lectures on science-based

745
00:32:13,549 --> 00:32:11,159
medicine and alternative medicine

746
00:32:15,710 --> 00:32:13,559
the videos and an accompanying course

747
00:32:16,930 --> 00:32:15,720
guide can be found by following the link

748
00:32:20,750 --> 00:32:16,940
at

749
00:32:24,409 --> 00:32:20,760
skipdoc.info or by visiting tinyurl.com

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00:32:26,389 --> 00:32:24,419
forward slash skep doc series

751
00:32:28,090 --> 00:32:26,399
topics covered in the series are

752
00:32:30,669 --> 00:32:28,100
science-based medicine versus

753
00:32:33,769 --> 00:32:30,679
evidence-based medicine what is Cam

754
00:32:36,350 --> 00:32:33,779
Chiropractic acupuncture Homeopathy

755
00:32:39,070 --> 00:32:36,360
naturopathy and herbal medicine Energy

756
00:32:42,409 --> 00:32:39,080
Medicine miscellaneous Alternatives

757
00:32:45,230 --> 00:32:42,419
pitfalls in research and science-based

758
00:32:47,810 --> 00:32:45,240
Medicine in the media and politics

759
00:32:50,269 --> 00:32:47,820
Harriet covers each Topic in a matter of

760
00:32:52,850 --> 00:32:50,279
fact no-nonsense way that is sure to

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00:32:54,970 --> 00:32:52,860
educate and entertain

762
00:32:58,909 --> 00:32:54,980
find it at

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00:33:00,210 --> 00:32:58,919
tinyurl.com forward slash skep doc

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series

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[Music]

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and now a reading from the book of Tim

767
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[Music]

768
00:33:25,730 --> 00:33:19,350
with Tim Mendham

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[Music]

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00:33:30,950 --> 00:33:28,500
hi my name is Tim Mendham I'm executive

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officer of Australian Skeptics Inc and

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00:33:34,130 --> 00:33:33,000
editor of our quarterly magazine the

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00:33:35,810 --> 00:33:34,140
skeptic

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and today I'll be reading from an issue

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00:33:41,210 --> 00:33:39,240
of Escape deep from June 2019.

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in this section called what goes around

777
00:33:46,970 --> 00:33:44,580
in which we start off with one idea and

778
00:33:48,350 --> 00:33:46,980
very cleverly link through various other

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00:33:49,330 --> 00:33:48,360
things and bring us back to where we

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00:33:51,649 --> 00:33:49,340
started

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00:33:52,430 --> 00:33:51,659
also calls that call it the cycle of

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00:33:54,649 --> 00:33:52,440
life

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this time we're looking at deliriums

784
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[Music]

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we start off with delirium of negation

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looking at cotards delusion also known

787
00:34:14,329 --> 00:34:11,700
as Walking Corpse Syndrome or Cottage

788
00:34:16,369 --> 00:34:14,339
syndrome which is a rare mental disorder

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00:34:18,730 --> 00:34:16,379
in which the affected person holds the

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00:34:22,070 --> 00:34:18,740
delusional belief that they are dead

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00:34:24,169 --> 00:34:22,080
they do not exist they are petrifying or

792
00:34:27,589 --> 00:34:24,179
have lost their blood or internal organs

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00:34:33,589 --> 00:34:27,599
in 1980 the neurologist Jewel cotard

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00:34:37,970 --> 00:34:36,010
which is the delirium of negations

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00:34:40,970 --> 00:34:37,980
pronounced badly in French but never

796
00:34:43,010 --> 00:34:40,980
mind a psychiatric syndrome of varied

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00:34:45,169 --> 00:34:43,020
severity and mild case is characterized

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00:34:46,790 --> 00:34:45,179
by Despair and self-loathing it's a mild

799
00:34:48,589 --> 00:34:46,800
case well it severe case is

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characterized by intense delusions of

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negation

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00:34:55,669 --> 00:34:52,379
and chronic psychiatric depression

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the case of Mademoiselle X describes a

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woman who denied the existence of parts

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00:35:02,750 --> 00:35:00,780
of her body and of her need to eat

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00:35:05,810 --> 00:35:02,760
in the course of suffering the delirium

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of negation Mademoiselle X died of

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starvation

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at Jules Cotter from 1840 to 1889 he was

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a French neurologist who studied

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medicine in Paris and later went on to

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work at an intern at auspice de los Sol

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to patriarch

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but my friend he became particularly

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interested in cerebrovascular accidents

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00:35:28,490 --> 00:35:26,220
commonly known as strokes and their

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00:35:30,290 --> 00:35:28,500
consequences and other took autopsies to

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better understand how these affected the

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brain

820
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in 1869 he left Sol patreon and joined

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an infantry regiment as a regimental

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surgeon at the outbreak of the

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franco-prussian war

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in my particular contributions to the

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understanding of diabetes and delusions

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in August 1889 Cotton's daughter

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contracted diphtheria and he reportedly

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refused to leave her bedside for 15 days

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until she recovered

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he eventually contracted dip Theory

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himself and died on the 19th of August

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Goddard served as the real-life model

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for the character of Dr kottard in the

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Marcel prus novel In Search of Lot's

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time Valentin Louis George Eugene Marcel

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proust who lived from 1871 to 1922 was a

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French novelist critic and SAS best

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known for his Monumental novel alardu

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in search of last times

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earlier remembered as remembrance of

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things past that was published in seven

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Parts between 1913 and 1927.

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it totals about four thousand Pages

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depending on the addition and features

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more than two thousand characters which

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is why it's not always widely read

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Bruce died before he was able to

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complete his revision of the drafts and

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proofs of the vital volumes the last

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three of which were published

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posthumously he is considered to be one

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of the most influential authors of the

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20th century

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is also one of the least red grade

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novels because of his length it was

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referenced by American essayist and

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literary critic Frederick Cruz in his

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book The Pooh perplex in the chapter

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00:37:15,050 --> 00:37:12,230
the pooper Blicks a student case book

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which came out in 1963 is presented as a

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group of analytical essays for use in

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freshman English

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00:37:24,050 --> 00:37:21,900
HSA caricatures the methods obsessions

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and style of a particular kind of critic

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00:37:30,230 --> 00:37:26,820
such as Marxist Freudian Christian Etc

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the pooper Doo essay is written by

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Woodbine Meadowlark

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other essays include oh Felix culpa the

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sacral mental meaning of Winnie the Pooh

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by cjl Culpepper and a Bourgeois

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writer's proletarian Fable by Martin

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tempralis all made up names all written

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by Cruz

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Frederick Campbell Cruz born in 1933 is

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professor emeritus of English at the

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University of California Berkeley he's

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the author of numerous books including

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the tragedy of manners

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moral drama in the later novels of Henry

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James

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Ian Foster The Perils of humanism and

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the sins of the fathers a discussion of

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the work of Nathaniel Hawthorne

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initially a proponent of psychoanalytic

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literary criticism Crews later rejected

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00:38:20,930 --> 00:38:17,640
it becoming a Critic of Sigmund Freud

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and his scientific and ethical standards

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Cruz was a prominent participant in the

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Freud Wars of the 1980s and 1990s a

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debate over Freud's reputation

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scholarship and impact on the 20th

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century

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Cruz has published skeptical and

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rationalist essays on a variety of

895
00:38:40,609 --> 00:38:38,520
topics including Freud and recovered

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memory therapy some of which were

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00:38:45,410 --> 00:38:42,900
published in the memory Wars Freud's

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00:38:48,050 --> 00:38:45,420
Legacy in dispute recovered memory

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therapy rmt is a term for Psychotherapy

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using one or more methods for recalling

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00:38:54,770 --> 00:38:52,920
memories proponents claim that traumatic

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memories can be buried in the

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subconscious and affect current behavior

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00:39:02,329 --> 00:38:59,820
and that these can be recovered by rmt

905
00:39:04,670 --> 00:39:02,339
it is linked to the debunked false

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00:39:07,130 --> 00:39:04,680
memory syndrome and is one of various

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00:39:09,410 --> 00:39:07,140
delusional disorders which include

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capgrased illusion people replaced by

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imposters

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fragoli syndrome different people are

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00:39:18,650 --> 00:39:15,839
the same person in Disguise Munchausen

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Syndrome exaggerated symptoms of illness

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and Qatar delusion which brings us back

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to where we started

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00:39:30,829 --> 00:39:26,880
and as from what goes around from the

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skeptic magazine volume 40 number two

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and you can download that issue with

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zebras orangutans oh yes sorry hi I'm

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not used to animals talking who are you

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yes my name is Carrie Poppy I co-host a

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podcast called owner Ross and Carrie

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this is my co-host Ross right here okay

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we investigate spirituality claims of

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the Paranormal and we were wondering if

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we could get on the r you did come two

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by two I appreciate that though most of

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the things I'm letting on the ark don't

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talk I'm going to be talking all up on

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this boat do you mind both I prefer Arc

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I'm not listening but if you let me on

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then I will make my really good podcast

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on your boat can you at least help clean

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up all the poop I guess I don't see why

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not well check out the podcast where do

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hey everyone this is Abhijit from

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rationable wishing Richard Saunders and

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the whole skeptic Zone crew a hearty

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00:40:45,050 --> 00:40:41,240
congratulations for the

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750th episode man this is one of the few

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things in life that really make me feel

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young

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way to go guys congratulations

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and hope you have many many many more

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[Music]

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all right

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now it's time once again to dive back

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into those pages that we dive why we say

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00:41:19,510 --> 00:41:15,320
that we dive can you imagine

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00:41:22,089 --> 00:41:19,520
the uh the scene diving into a digital

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Archive of newspapers

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Splunk

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now it's time to dive back into those

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digital archives that Trove at

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trove.nla.gov dot a u the online

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resource from the Australian government

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and the National Library of Australia

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full of digital newspapers cassettes

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00:41:43,130 --> 00:41:40,800
magazines and

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the journals going back decades and

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[Music]

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to say you never know what you'll find

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00:41:57,650 --> 00:41:56,040
in trove I say it because it's true

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00:42:01,250 --> 00:41:57,660
because I never know what I'm going to

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00:42:02,690 --> 00:42:01,260
find and looking at one search criteria

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00:42:06,050 --> 00:42:02,700
can lead to another can lead to

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00:42:08,390 --> 00:42:06,060
something else and and Well on and on it

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00:42:09,970 --> 00:42:08,400
goes and I have found a reference here

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00:42:13,550 --> 00:42:09,980
from

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00:42:17,410 --> 00:42:13,560
1992 to the Canberra Skeptics the camera

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00:42:21,170 --> 00:42:17,420
Skeptics let's let's read this report

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00:42:25,490 --> 00:42:21,180
and it's an item called beyond the

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00:42:27,170 --> 00:42:25,500
fridge door by Claire tadichi and the

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00:42:29,990 --> 00:42:27,180
photograph at the top has three men

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behind her a desk presumably in an

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00:42:37,490 --> 00:42:33,780
outdoor area or maybe more a booth

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00:42:40,670 --> 00:42:37,500
Canberra Skeptics from left Drew Meek

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00:42:42,890 --> 00:42:40,680
David Vernon and Colin Groves at the

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Canberra Festival last weekend

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00:42:48,829 --> 00:42:45,359
and I did at least meet Colin Grove some

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00:42:53,630 --> 00:42:48,839
years ago but he's since passed on

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battling thieves of thinking and this

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00:42:57,950 --> 00:42:55,619
report is in the Canberra times 14th of

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March 1992.

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Canberra Skeptics meet on the last

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Friday of every month next meeting March

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00:43:11,710 --> 00:43:05,880
27 in the forest room of the cellar bar

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249-4590 what do scientists journalists

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00:43:21,430 --> 00:43:19,619
and magicians have in common they are

992
00:43:24,589 --> 00:43:21,440
all on the lookout for sleight of hand

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00:43:26,630 --> 00:43:24,599
they are all Skeptics it's funny how

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00:43:29,809 --> 00:43:26,640
often people ask you whether being a

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00:43:33,530 --> 00:43:29,819
skeptic makes life boring mused David

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00:43:35,990 --> 00:43:33,540
Vernon a member of Canberra Skeptics and

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00:43:38,809 --> 00:43:36,000
editor of the group's newsletter Argos

998
00:43:40,970 --> 00:43:38,819
really it's quite the opposite have an

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00:43:43,430 --> 00:43:40,980
inquiring mind which refuses to accept

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00:43:46,490 --> 00:43:43,440
claims on face value makes life all the

1001
00:43:48,109 --> 00:43:46,500
more interesting mysticism is far duller

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00:43:51,650 --> 00:43:48,119
than reality

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00:43:53,270 --> 00:43:51,660
Canberra Skeptics was formed in 1984 by

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a philosopher from the Australian

1005
00:43:58,670 --> 00:43:56,400
University William Gray the pivotal aim

1006
00:44:02,089 --> 00:43:58,680
of the group is to investigate claims of

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00:44:04,790 --> 00:44:02,099
paranormal phenomena and pseudosciences

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00:44:07,130 --> 00:44:04,800
and to encourage people to question what

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cannot be proved for the first few years

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00:44:12,530 --> 00:44:09,420
the group was run by Australian National

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00:44:15,109 --> 00:44:12,540
University academics but has since

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00:44:16,750 --> 00:44:15,119
expanded to involve people from a wide

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00:44:19,490 --> 00:44:16,760
range of backgrounds and occupations

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including scientists public servants

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00:44:24,890 --> 00:44:22,140
journalists magicians and retired people

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00:44:26,809 --> 00:44:24,900
some have been attracted to the group as

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00:44:29,930 --> 00:44:26,819
they attempt to understand and reason

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00:44:32,990 --> 00:44:29,940
with a relative or friend who has become

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00:44:35,510 --> 00:44:33,000
obsessed with Mystic Cults or the

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00:44:37,370 --> 00:44:35,520
Paranormal to say that we do not believe

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00:44:39,230 --> 00:44:37,380
anything that cannot be explained by

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00:44:41,510 --> 00:44:39,240
science is a rather simplistic

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00:44:44,329 --> 00:44:41,520
assessment of the group said Colin

1024
00:44:46,730 --> 00:44:44,339
Groves a biological Anthropologist and

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00:44:49,010 --> 00:44:46,740
Veteran member of the group some things

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00:44:51,890 --> 00:44:49,020
cannot be tested like the existence of

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00:44:54,410 --> 00:44:51,900
God but where pseudoscience robs people

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00:44:57,650 --> 00:44:54,420
not only of money but of their capacity

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00:45:01,370 --> 00:44:57,660
to think we feel Duty bound to intervene

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00:45:04,010 --> 00:45:01,380
and see that reason and fact is at least

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00:45:07,069 --> 00:45:04,020
put forward as a balance

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00:45:08,690 --> 00:45:07,079
David Vernon became a member of Canberra

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00:45:11,930 --> 00:45:08,700
Skeptics in his final year of high

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00:45:14,329 --> 00:45:11,940
school marked down in a biology exam for

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00:45:17,809 --> 00:45:14,339
questioning their beliefs of his

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00:45:20,329 --> 00:45:17,819
creationist Schoolmaster David contacted

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00:45:22,849 --> 00:45:20,339
the group showed them his work and asked

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them to represent his case to the school

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board

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David's sea was promptly upgraded to an

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00:45:33,609 --> 00:45:30,599
A and some behind the scenes measures

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00:45:36,109 --> 00:45:33,619
were taken to modify the offending

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00:45:38,510 --> 00:45:36,119
Masters teaching Style

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00:45:41,569 --> 00:45:38,520
creationism where it is used to Cloud

1045
00:45:43,849 --> 00:45:41,579
the facts of History Science Biology and

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00:45:45,470 --> 00:45:43,859
anthropology and education is a

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00:45:47,809 --> 00:45:45,480
particular concern to the Canberra

1048
00:45:49,730 --> 00:45:47,819
Skeptics other key targets are business

1049
00:45:52,609 --> 00:45:49,740
people who claim to be psychics

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00:45:54,650 --> 00:45:52,619
astrologers numerologists Clairvoyance

1051
00:45:56,210 --> 00:45:54,660
and practitioners of non-scientific

1052
00:45:57,829 --> 00:45:56,220
alternative medicine

1053
00:45:59,690 --> 00:45:57,839
there is a huge variety of

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00:46:02,510 --> 00:45:59,700
pseudoscientists and people who make

1055
00:46:05,270 --> 00:46:02,520
claims of paranormal phenomena Colin

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00:46:07,990 --> 00:46:05,280
explained but we are a small self-funded

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00:46:10,370 --> 00:46:08,000
organization and have to set priorities

1058
00:46:11,990 --> 00:46:10,380
essentially we concentrate on topics

1059
00:46:14,089 --> 00:46:12,000
that we know a lot about through our

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00:46:16,370 --> 00:46:14,099
work and study and on people whose

1061
00:46:18,290 --> 00:46:16,380
claims may put others in danger where

1062
00:46:20,930 --> 00:46:18,300
possible the Skeptics convinced their

1063
00:46:23,390 --> 00:46:20,940
targets to be publicly tested under

1064
00:46:25,430 --> 00:46:23,400
controlled conditions the most recent

1065
00:46:28,010 --> 00:46:25,440
such investigation involved a member of

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the Canberra Society of organic Growers

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00:46:34,490 --> 00:46:30,540
who was also an exponent of what is

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00:46:36,650 --> 00:46:34,500
known as Moon planting planting in

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accordance with astrological principles

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00:46:43,730 --> 00:46:39,660
according to the organic grower certain

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00:46:45,890 --> 00:46:43,740
times on certain days are positive for

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planting other times are not and the

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difference may only be a matter of

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minutes over a month the Canberra

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00:46:56,030 --> 00:46:52,140
Skeptics were Guided by the moon

1076
00:46:58,190 --> 00:46:56,040
Planters to sow a crop of radishes as

1077
00:47:01,010 --> 00:46:58,200
they control the Skeptics planted their

1078
00:47:02,930 --> 00:47:01,020
own crop at random times but under the

1079
00:47:04,790 --> 00:47:02,940
same conditions the result of the

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00:47:06,890 --> 00:47:04,800
experiment gave a similar success rate

1081
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for each crop then there was the

1082
00:47:13,010 --> 00:47:09,800
investigation of the maricari a healing

1083
00:47:16,309 --> 00:47:13,020
life generating energy said to be

1084
00:47:19,010 --> 00:47:16,319
possessed by a Chosen Few the experiment

1085
00:47:21,710 --> 00:47:19,020
which the Skeptics themselves say was

1086
00:47:23,870 --> 00:47:21,720
not conducted under strict clinical

1087
00:47:28,329 --> 00:47:23,880
procedure tested the power of the

1088
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marikari light over a seeding at the

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csiro and csiro is the Commonwealth

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00:47:36,829 --> 00:47:35,579
scientific and Industrial research

1091
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organization

1092
00:47:40,670 --> 00:47:38,760
a month after the experiment the

1093
00:47:42,470 --> 00:47:40,680
maricari groups was confidently

1094
00:47:45,109 --> 00:47:42,480
advertising that its powers had been

1095
00:47:46,910 --> 00:47:45,119
witnessed by the Australian Skeptics and

1096
00:47:50,270 --> 00:47:46,920
shown to have an effect what the

1097
00:47:52,849 --> 00:47:50,280
marikari didn't publicize was that where

1098
00:47:55,370 --> 00:47:52,859
the control seed flourished into a

1099
00:47:57,950 --> 00:47:55,380
healthy plant the poor little creature

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00:48:01,609 --> 00:47:57,960
dosed up on Divine Light had withered

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00:48:03,770 --> 00:48:01,619
away not one of the people whose powers

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or belief have been tested and failed

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00:48:09,829 --> 00:48:06,540
has actually admitted but they may be

1104
00:48:12,290 --> 00:48:09,839
wrong said Colin apart from its program

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00:48:13,970 --> 00:48:12,300
of public testing the Skeptics also see

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00:48:17,030 --> 00:48:13,980
themselves as having a responsibility

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for public education they produce and

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distribute a bi-monthly newsletter

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participate in community events and air

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their concerns through the media the

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group also published in 1989 its own

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Manual of skepticism which sets out the

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case for reason and dissembles in

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alphabetical order 36 theories of

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pseudoscience the sparsely presented

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sparsely entitled publication skeptical

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examines pseudosciences from

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aromatherapy to water divining and

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asserts that however they may have been

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inducted through dissatisfaction with

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science a personal search or sheer

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loneliness the followers of

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pseudoscience risk being misled divorced

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from reality and most likely parted from

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their money by Charleston's and a few

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years earlier also in the Canberra times

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on the the 17th of June 1989 I've come

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across a review of The Very booklet

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mentioned skeptical

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skeptical edited by Don laycock David

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Vernon Colin Groves and Simon Brown 79

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Pages

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5.50 plus 1.50 postage reviewer Peter

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bowler gentle dose of doubt in 18th

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century Yorkshire it was believed that

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the best way to cure a toothache was to

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carry in the pocket a tooth from the

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corpse of the opposite sex this may seem

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absurd today but it is only a small step

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from the tooth carriers of York to the

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new age Crystal carriers whose

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enthusiasms are now taken seriously

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enough for them to attract substantial

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coverage in the mass media harmless

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fantasizing many of us would say But

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Blind Faith in a comforting metaphysic

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ultimately leads to the blind fanaticism

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of the Inquisition and the Jihad the

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Yota defe was literally an Act of Faith

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and a quick look online because I hadn't

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heard this expression before Auto defe

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Portuguese

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back to Faith and it involves the

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Spanish Inquisition

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the existence of a group called The

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Canberra Skeptics whose aim it is to

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gently question the fadish fantasies of

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our time is therefore reassuring admit

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00:50:40,190 --> 00:50:36,900
all the hullabaloo of the True Believers

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the still small voice of reason can be

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heard emanating no matter how faintly

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from at least one group in our society I

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say gently because the Skeptics have

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tended to go about their quizzical

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00:50:56,569 --> 00:50:54,420
business with Goodwill and a sense of

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humor not for them the hurtful

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00:51:02,809 --> 00:50:59,280
aggression of bradleff and I didn't know

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00:51:05,750 --> 00:51:02,819
this Charles bradleff was a English

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political activist and atheist or the

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crusading Zeal of Russell they entertain

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each other with magic tricks issue spoof

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00:51:15,890 --> 00:51:14,040
predictions of the future and make only

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occasional appearances on public

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platforms to expose the delusions of the

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credulous very sportingly they seem to

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00:51:25,609 --> 00:51:23,700
have followed a policy of exempting the

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field of religious belief from their

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00:51:31,250 --> 00:51:28,800
skeptical surveillance this is reflected

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in the content of the present book which

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is essentially a ready reference guide

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00:51:40,549 --> 00:51:37,020
to 36 of the major non-religious faiths

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of our day from Aliens to water divining

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00:51:44,870 --> 00:51:43,260
it has been written and published by

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00:51:46,910 --> 00:51:44,880
several members of the camera Skeptics

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00:51:51,430 --> 00:51:46,920
and is available by mail order direct

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00:51:55,970 --> 00:51:51,440
from them at P.O box 120 Campbell

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00:51:57,950 --> 00:51:55,980
2601 though it is in this sense an

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00:51:59,930 --> 00:51:57,960
amateur production there is nothing

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00:52:02,690 --> 00:51:59,940
amateurish about its physical

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00:52:05,170 --> 00:52:02,700
presentation the Stark Black cover

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00:52:07,430 --> 00:52:05,180
nicely sets off the intellectual

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00:52:09,290 --> 00:52:07,440
uncompromising nature of the contents

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00:52:11,690 --> 00:52:09,300
there there is no padding and no

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00:52:14,270 --> 00:52:11,700
pretension at the price it is good value

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00:52:16,670 --> 00:52:14,280
by any standard among the authors the

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00:52:20,270 --> 00:52:16,680
late Don laycock is worthy of special

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00:52:22,790 --> 00:52:20,280
mention his contribution on the tarot is

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a model of what such an analysis should

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be authoritative informative and

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up-to-date

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not all the other contributions come up

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00:52:34,910 --> 00:52:32,579
to this standard some are

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00:52:36,829 --> 00:52:34,920
disappointingly short and many leave the

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00:52:39,470 --> 00:52:36,839
reader wishing that the subject had been

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00:52:40,910 --> 00:52:39,480
explored in Greater depth even given the

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00:52:43,309 --> 00:52:40,920
general constraints of the book's

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00:52:45,650 --> 00:52:43,319
overall format the article on

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Scientology for example might have gone

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00:52:51,049 --> 00:52:48,720
just a little further and drawn some

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00:52:54,170 --> 00:52:51,059
interesting comparisons between

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00:52:57,470 --> 00:52:54,180
Dianetics and Freudian psychoanalysis

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00:52:58,910 --> 00:52:57,480
which had remarkably similar tenets and

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00:53:01,069 --> 00:52:58,920
which was at the height of its

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00:53:04,069 --> 00:53:01,079
popularity in the United States when

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00:53:07,730 --> 00:53:04,079
Dianetics first saw the light of day in

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00:53:10,730 --> 00:53:07,740
the May 1950 issue of astounding science

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00:53:12,829 --> 00:53:10,740
fiction similarly the article on

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00:53:15,470 --> 00:53:12,839
reincarnation would have been more

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00:53:19,609 --> 00:53:15,480
convincing on its statistical rejection

1220
00:53:22,510 --> 00:53:19,619
of Prior living the population 200 years

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00:53:25,670 --> 00:53:22,520
ago was one-sixth its present size

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00:53:28,609 --> 00:53:25,680
therefore 200 years ago most of us

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00:53:31,069 --> 00:53:28,619
couldn't have been any body if it had

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taken the extra step of exploring the

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statistical implications of staggered

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00:53:40,370 --> 00:53:37,319
reincarnation and so on in this respect

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00:53:43,430 --> 00:53:40,380
skeptical falls short of the achievement

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00:53:45,470 --> 00:53:43,440
of such Classics as raw Cliffs Illusions

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00:53:46,370 --> 00:53:45,480
and delusions of the Supernatural and

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00:53:48,770 --> 00:53:46,380
occult

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00:53:50,750 --> 00:53:48,780
on the other hand it covers a greater

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00:53:52,849 --> 00:53:50,760
range of fallacies it is up to the

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minute in its subject matter and for

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00:53:57,470 --> 00:53:54,900
readers who want a more detailed

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00:53:59,990 --> 00:53:57,480
treatment it gives useful references for

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00:54:02,630 --> 00:54:00,000
further reading skeptical is a generous

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00:54:05,390 --> 00:54:02,640
source of that innocent joy and

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00:54:07,910 --> 00:54:05,400
wonderment which all of us derive from

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00:54:10,370 --> 00:54:07,920
the spectacle of others making complete

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00:54:13,069 --> 00:54:10,380
fools of themselves it is also a book

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00:54:16,190 --> 00:54:13,079
that could be of real use to young

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00:54:19,670 --> 00:54:16,200
people of an impressionable age buy it

1243
00:54:22,670 --> 00:54:19,680
for your older kids a dose of skepticism

1244
00:54:26,089 --> 00:54:22,680
may be just what they need to arm them

1245
00:54:28,910 --> 00:54:26,099
against the seductive sophistries of

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00:54:31,430 --> 00:54:28,920
adult life and if they put it under the

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00:54:32,870 --> 00:54:31,440
pillow at night it will cure their

1248
00:54:35,630 --> 00:54:32,880
toothache

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00:54:37,549 --> 00:54:35,640
petabola is the author of several books

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00:54:40,250 --> 00:54:37,559
on language history and Child

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00:54:43,609 --> 00:54:40,260
Development and I remember having a copy

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00:54:45,349 --> 00:54:43,619
of that book myself way back in heavens

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00:54:49,490 --> 00:54:45,359
above when would it have been the late

1254
00:54:52,329 --> 00:54:49,500
80s early 90s well this report comes

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00:55:00,330 --> 00:54:52,339
from mid-1989 so I guess I had it around

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00:55:02,410 --> 00:55:00,340
about 19 1990 1991 maybe even in 1989.

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[Music]

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00:55:07,549 --> 00:55:05,160
so there we are a couple of references

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to work done by the Canberra Skeptics

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00:55:13,010 --> 00:55:10,640
decades ago

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00:55:14,870 --> 00:55:13,020
and don't forget you can discover all

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00:55:16,510 --> 00:55:14,880
sorts of things when you look at Trove

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00:55:18,349 --> 00:55:16,520
at

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00:55:21,170 --> 00:55:18,359
trove.nla.gov.eu one thing leads to

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00:55:25,190 --> 00:55:21,180
another one search can find many things

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00:55:27,410 --> 00:55:25,200
which are a surprise because of course

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00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:27,420
can you visit Trove you never know what

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[Music]

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00:55:46,130 --> 00:55:44,270
Hill from Calgary here to correct a

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00:55:47,690 --> 00:55:46,140
mistake many of you may have noticed

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00:55:50,030 --> 00:55:47,700
what I read last week's newsletter

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00:55:53,089 --> 00:55:50,040
Richard usually catches these mistakes I

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00:55:55,910 --> 00:55:53,099
make he makes me laugh I giggle then I

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00:55:58,970 --> 00:55:55,920
re-record and all is good last week

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00:56:01,309 --> 00:55:58,980
however we both missed it and I'm

1276
00:56:03,349 --> 00:56:01,319
guessing that Richard's long flight to

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00:56:04,549 --> 00:56:03,359
the U.S might have had something to do

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00:56:07,010 --> 00:56:04,559
with it

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00:56:09,230 --> 00:56:07,020
but listener and friend Leonard tremel

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00:56:11,150 --> 00:56:09,240
notified me of my mistake

1281
00:56:13,549 --> 00:56:11,160
the mistake was made when reading about

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00:56:16,609 --> 00:56:13,559
the therapeutic Goods Administration or

1283
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TGA issuing 20 infringement notices to

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00:56:23,870 --> 00:56:19,800
mode medical which is trading as what I

1285
00:56:26,450 --> 00:56:23,880
called drip for Australia I'm kind of

1286
00:56:28,849 --> 00:56:26,460
thinking my math teacher slash Roman

1287
00:56:31,490 --> 00:56:28,859
numeral part of my brain overrode my

1288
00:56:33,829 --> 00:56:31,500
medical terminology part of the brain

1289
00:56:37,730 --> 00:56:33,839
it should have been called drip IV

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00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:37,740
Australia until my next mistake this is

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00:56:53,290 --> 00:56:38,610
Adrian Hill

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00:56:59,510 --> 00:56:56,870
thank you for listening to episode 750

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00:57:02,450 --> 00:56:59,520
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00:57:37,370 --> 00:57:34,260
coming up on next week's episode

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00:57:39,290 --> 00:57:37,380
Adrian Hill returns with her segment on

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00:57:41,530 --> 00:57:39,300
Wiki projects

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00:57:44,450 --> 00:57:41,540
and this time she'll be looking at

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00:57:46,370 --> 00:57:44,460
alternative medicine the top pages on

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00:57:47,990 --> 00:57:46,380
Wikipedia for altmed

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00:57:50,510 --> 00:57:48,000
we have the Australian Skeptics

1315
00:57:54,230 --> 00:57:50,520
newsletter once again and the Trove

1316
00:57:56,030 --> 00:57:54,240
segment will look at fake cures

1317
00:57:58,130 --> 00:57:56,040
fake cures

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00:58:00,230 --> 00:57:58,140
now I hope to see Susan Gerber in person

1319
00:58:03,109 --> 00:58:00,240
this week so maybe we'll get another

1320
00:58:05,510 --> 00:58:03,119
interview or catch up with her

1321
00:58:07,910 --> 00:58:05,520
and also with my friend Dr Eugenie Scott

1322
00:58:09,170 --> 00:58:07,920
who appeared on the skeptic Zone a

1323
00:58:11,990 --> 00:58:09,180
couple of months back when we were

1324
00:58:14,030 --> 00:58:12,000
discussing ancient apocalypse

1325
00:58:16,849 --> 00:58:14,040
but for this week

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from episode 750. this is Richard

1327
00:58:25,130 --> 00:58:19,260
Saunders signing off from the Bay Area

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00:58:31,690 --> 00:58:27,049
you've been listening to the skeptic

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00:58:34,010 --> 00:58:31,700
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